UGN Security Forums UGN Security: Underground General question ...

Since this is private, I am refering to the UGN, the owner has the power to grant permisions of who enters the site or the web board, who can post and who can not (or at least this is what I am thinking).

Now, the question is as follows.

If the goverment IP adresses would be banned, could they take legal action against the owner for baning them ?

I am just wondering ...

im not 100% on this but...i think for a site like UnderGroundNews or any computer security site that might contain information to help hackers and stuff that suddenly stopped banning ip's they would take some kind of action, legally do they have the right to do that? No. They dont own the internet and Gizmo does own this site so if they arent aloud to view it then theres no law saying they can go in and mess with him, but they could say things like UGN is plotting against the government or somthing

i think for a site like UnderGroundNews or any computer security site that might contain information to help hackers and stuff that suddenly stopped banning ip's

what i ment to say was i think for a site like UnderGroundNews or any computer security site that might contain info to help hackers and stuff LIKE that suddenly STARTED banning government ips
(sorry about that)

i don't think gizmo hosts this site on his personal computer, thus, i'm there is probably something in the agreement with the hosting company that requires him to coperate with the government etc. and if there isn't, the hosting company would probably go over gizmo's head if the government came knocking on their doors.

the question is why try in the first place. Banning government IP's? They'd just go through other ISP's to check the board. All that serves is to prevent us from knowing how many "possible" law enforcement entities are watching us.

But to answer your question, no, they can't, and they won't bother to try.

Banning government ip's would show that we have something to hide, therefore theid have probible cause to do something towards UGN and myself.

Banning government IP's is purely circumstantial and means nothing. You can claim any number of reasons as to why you banned them. There is no probably cause, there is no reason to sue.

<Fed> Mr. Judge sir, a website has banned all government IP's and we wanna sue them for it.

Doesn't that seem just a little rediculous?

As far as I'm aware, there is no legal recourse. It's just like your house. You can tell a federal officer to go to hell if he tries to enter your house. However, if he has a warrant, he can do it regardless. Things of that nature. They wouldn't and couldn't do anything to you. Also, Gizmo, I wouldn't be worried. Nearly any script kiddie "I Hate The Government" website bans the government IP's.

I think BS was right, there is probably something in the agreement between ugn and the hosting company that notes cooperation with the goverment or whatever. And there is really no need i think for banning the goverment ip addresses, as Gizmo said that later could be used against UGN and himself as a fact like he's kinda hiddin something or has confidential material here.
Btw anyway, i really think goverment has better things to do than [censored] around security sites !!

no, not really. from my experiences with law inforcment agencies, they really dont have anything better to do.

"they're trying to build a prison for you and me to live in" -system of a down

ohfuk c'mon man, how can they not have ? of course they do.. they just bullshit around, anyway lets leave em do their job and we'll do ours.

P.S. Nice quote

*US point of view, milage may vary in other countries*

I don't believe anyone has answered Digital Geek's original question. A person who has the authority to set the policies for a site can ban any site they are inclined to ban. That includes government, educational, country, or any other site they deem to ban.

Now the next question is who has the authority to set these policies. In a corporate environment the CEO, business owner, or the board is ultimately responsible for these decisions. This control is usually passed through proxy to the network administrator or chief security officer.

In most instances no one can sue an organization for banning of their site. I say most here because my guess is that if a person can prove monetary damage by their site being blocked a judge may in some instance order a corporation to unban a site. Whether this is correct or the judge has overstepped his bounds is for the courts to decide.

So, in conclusion, if a site banned the government from there site the government could not sue for access. However, if they have probable cause that illegal activity is being facilitated through the site they would not sue for access. They would just seize all assets as evidence. Statistics say that 60% of companies do not survive a major disaster. Seizure of all assets should certainly be in the disaster recovery plan if you need to ban government sites.

Ban the government if you want too, but chances are what ever layer the ban is placed on(referring to OSI Modle) Carnivore is at least one layer lower.

See the ban would be on the board, however if the government is proactivly monitoring this site they wouldn't come in and read the board. They only have to monitore traffic coming and going from here.

banning the governments I.P.'s would be like locking a door with a band aid and calling it secure. Any pressure rips the band aid.

I doubt they would care, as I doubt it would stop anything.

Yeh but the whole point of the matter is that UGN is LEGIT NOW since oppy was released and it will stay that way.

since oppy was released?

Sounded better than sayin "Since optix was thrown out"

yeah, he was a drug dealer. GIZMO IS CLEAN!
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