I just installed linux mandrake v.9.0 and i need help programing it.

Talk to Le4rner ... er, $in_Tax. He seems pretty up to date with Mandrake9.

Why don't you start by telling us what it is you want to do. You didn't really ask anything there.

Infinite

Ok If you wanna know what Im wanting to do it is this.. in my past experience with UGN Ive been told to say "leading or follow up questions" meaning dont just say right in bold letters "I WANT TO LEARN TO HACK IN LINUX" so ive read tons of the forum post's and they have said to do leading Questions although a leading question to me wanting to learn to hack through linux would NOT be how to program it. But anyways to be more specific ive wanted to basically "hack"/ "connect" to other comps with Exploits or whatever i would need., Wanting to know what to do with the exploits after i "compile" them, in mandrake 9.0... I compiled them by simply typing cc tracerout.c -o traceroute I know this post maybe should be in the newbie forums but everytime i post there i never get any HELPFUL responses..

Really need help, Im not out to "HACK" as in harm anyone just want to basically learn it so i would know how to hack if the time ever came down to it with me needing too..

you talk in circles, but I think I deciphered this from your incoherent rambling.

-You want to learn how to hack.

-You have been told not to ask "How do I hack"

-You dont want to learn programming.

-You just wanna learn enough to "HACK" some if it ever came down to you really needing to.

-You can compile and run programs.

-You dont know what to do with them once you have.

So basically you came here asking "how do I program with linux" not even really knowing what programming is (at least thats what I get from what you've said). Really, you dont want to learn anything. You just want to be able to [censored] [censored] up without understanding how anything works or why it works. I think you've officially reached the level of "wannabe script kidiot".

What do you want from us? You want us to give you exploits and point you in the direction of vulnerable machines? Its not gonna happen.

Ok so im going to give you the answers to you questions.

You program linux with a programming language. C, perl, python, Bash Scripting, ruby and others.
Learn one. Most exploits are written in C, and since that seems to be the direction your heading, I'd go for that.

I Don't really appreciate you telling me im a "idiot" for 1 i did not type the first question which was, How do i program linux my friend did because he is dumb when it comes to computers and i was in the middle of reading linux tutorials, You are correct in 1 thing and that is I wanna learn to hack when it comes down too it.. You must specialize in being a smart [censored] because u sure did be one. Another issue, i do know what "programming" is.. incoherent rambling? where did you grab this bit of information from? I simply listen to what people of this board have stated exactly what not to do and that is not just come out and say " i wanna learn to hack can u teach me?" No I dont do that but when im asked what im wanting to learn to do yes thats about all i can say. I come to these forums to get help not to get ran down by someone that thinks hes a hotshot cuz hes an Moderator of the board. I do not want you to point me in any direction to any vulnerable computers, now thats YOU putting words in my mouth, i simply wanna know is what do i do after i know how to compile and run the exploits.. Whats my next step you know? I dont want you to just say ok heres an IP now go get em buster.. I just needed help so this was one of the places my friends have told me to come for help and thats why i came.. So if you people do truely care to help me out it would be greatly appreciated.. oh ya and thanks again sinetific for being a smartass and showing ur true colors

after compiling, you use them.
try neworder.box.sk or blacksun.box.sk for tutorials on exploits. neworder has a whole section on it.

Here are some books for you if you really want to learn (they were posted in another topic a while back). Read some books about Unix/Linux security HERE , and more about C/C++ programing HERE .

Well I know about Exploits now etc.. The only thing is i dont know where to start or what to do with them after they are compiled.. and I havent had any luck on finding a website or tutorials period on what to dow ith an exploit after its compiled or what to do with one period.. so maybe that could be something yall could help me on thanks!!

Ugh, now this really is the definition of a script kiddie. "I just wanna f*ck around but i don't know how it works, so please help me so i can show off how l33t i am".

Omg this means you didn't even try looking for it. There are places enough to find how it works, even already posted above. Geez. And most of the the time to find information is the most logical place. (up to you to find out what i mean)

Well to answer your question. Hmm not a good idea, so i won't. But maybe a little hint "./"

Ooh and another thing. If you finally figured out what to do with the exploit. Don't come back whining here cause it doesn't work. It doesn't work like this: "ooh this exploit has a nice name let's download it and use it on every linuxbox i come across"

buahaha... count on predator to make a quick stop in UGN every now and then and flame a kiddie.

hehe sorry for the script kiddie [censored] but we all gotta start somewhere and now i understand how to use them now i read after i posted and now they make sense thanks guys!

True SR, i did flame him, but i gave him some tips

True, you have to start somewhere, and that somewhere is with your nose between books, reading like you've never read before

OOh and i like your quote.

and a happy newyear

hehe I like that. I think we've just witnessed the birth of a script kiddy. Any luck with the actual programming of linux DarNessX? I could have sworn you started this topic to get feedback on programming, not how to use exploits. If you plan on reading books, O'Reily is a good publisher of computer books. As is Wiley. Look for their books, good stuff

Well the original post was not posted by me, friend really didnt know what to type and at the time i didnt either because i did not have sploits at the time.I have had a friend spoon feeding me info on hacking and he finally stopped. So now im learning alone, since the begining of this post ive learned so much and i really appreciate it.. But i am wanting to learn how to use exploits etc. and ./ ive tried everyway i could and I thought ./ was for directories or something. ./ seems to give me stuff saying this is a directory or ./ is a directory, its kinda confusing, and Asteos on that last comment that you posted that was edited by the admins. if u would like to send that to [email protected] i would love to read it.. no matter what it says i dun really care here to learn thanks again guys.. Can anyone also give me a couple Exact links to some Using Exploit Tutorials or something?

Man, don't you READ any posts ?

"try neworder.box.sk or blacksun.box.sk for tutorials on exploits"
This was posted by jonconley, and he was kind enough to give you, not one, but two links to where you can find out more about exploits and tutorials.

And if you would have searched the "Newbie Questions" forum, for or the word "exploit" you would have found a lot of resources. Like perhaps all this links posted by sinetific :

http://www.securiteam.com/exploits
http://www.packetstormsecurity.org
http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1
http://www.insecure.org/sploits

And just imagine how many links will turn up in google if you will try a search there.

Oh, and if you don't even have the patience to search a site for the articles you are looking for and you want EXACT links to the the text files, then perhaps this whole programing stuff it's not for you.

http://www.undergroundnews.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000024

go to the tutorial in that thread. take the whole thing. By the time you finish you understand you *nix system a lot more. "./" is like a run command for compiled binary files. to be able to run the file from any directory just by typing the name place it into /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin then from the command like you can just type the program name and it will run.

Okay kid... A lesson on the lay of the land around here.

1.) If scientific calls you an idiot, You are just take it and any info he offers. That goes for most people that take any time to answer a question with anymore than "hmmm good question try google."

2.) You didn't type it your friend did while you were reading linux tuts... Sooo you were letting your idiot friend post under your login, while you were reading tuts probably on the same puter. Yea sure your right. And your friend just happend to post a question you wanted answers to...

You aren't starting [censored]. All you are starting is using someone elses work. For christ sakes if you are risking 10 years in jail at least learn what the [censored] you are doing.

Nice link at that post from sinetific. Personaly I do not think you are worth it, but if you read anything read that. Hacking ia kinda like math man. Learn the grunt work first. Learn to code in the languages the box you are going for uses. Study and become a master before you pick up the equivilant of a calculator.

If you decide to learn to code instead of use someone elses stuff... Cool

If you are just a lazy [censored], piss off <img border="0" alt="[machine]" title="" src="graemlins/machine.gif" />

lol sin tax mr big man i see? well when i have several computers at my house and he was reading tuts on my linux box. And I was on my Windows Box. Then its kinda hard to see what he is doing because we are in different rooms, so.. i really didnt know wtf he was doing until he told me, and for 1 The LEARNING of linux wasnt for me, i know linux, my friend wants to learn all this [censored] he has been typing, I gave him advice to come here and learn it because i wasnt gonna teach him.. he can learn it alone. But You guys do go awefully hard on newbies.. I guess it must be the fact that you think ur better because your not a newbie? well bud one point in time you were.. so you really have no right to talk.. If you dont think he is worth it then im sorry, ive found a better board for my friend to learn at because for one this board thinks they are hot [censored] cuz they not newbs.. and when they encounter a newb they dont want anything to do with them, so have fun with this board.

I find it very strange that you guys have Newbie Questions and have to be an [censored] to everyone that post's on it.. If you people arent here to help others then your missing the whole point of a bbs, or forum. The reason for a Forum is so one can come and learn things, or so others can discuss what they know and learn from other people, Or just talk and chat depending on the heading of the bbs/forum, Well its pretty plain as day this bbs/forum is for HELP because it states Newbie "Questions" meaning if one goes and posts there he is going to get help, people dont come to this board to get cut down and told how they are not worth it.. people come to learn, and you cant learn when all you here is how ur not worth it, or how u dont listen, or even that they are a "script kiddie" because the fact is, everyone was one at a point in time. If you do not like to help people then don't but its quite obvious some dont like to help others just by how they think they are big and bad or they are better than the newb they are helping

ROFLMAO

Dude, you are so up in the kool aid without knowing the flavor it is just sad. First of all I am king newbie. I made a site dedicated to nothing but helping newbies. I ran it for about 2 years and just recently gave it to gizmo.

http://rrfn.promodtecnologies.com

Try my all tech for newbies search

http://rrfn.promodtecnologies.com/RRFN.php

I have helped out more newbies then you could imagine. I answer more question to help a person truely seeking knowledge than you would ever consider. I come here to offer advice and help for the most part.

But you don't want help. You want to be spoon fed how to use someone elses work. You don't want to learn. You wana be a lazy leech/script kiddy.

Wana learn something, come see me. Wana be a script kiddie. I will poke at you and laugh at your ignorance.

If it is true about your friend making the original post why did you follow up the way you did in your second post? dosen't match up chump.

Hah, Kid you need maybe to act your age, you seem to be acting a little older than what your actions show.(dont make much sense but anyways lol) For 1, I never said u didnt help, the whole issue was that not everyone is here to HELP granted, you may be.. never said you didnt help anyone cuz i know thats not true i see ur name all over the forums. I respect u alot but the thing is.. Now Im typing for my friend because it kinda came to the point to where he got sick of listening to you guys cut him down. and degrade him, I could spoon feed him my work if i wanted to but i choose not to because he needs to learn alone, like we all did, im not gonna hold his hand everystep of the way.. I appreciate you speaking ur mind sin_tax thats the reason i respect you. But you gotta admit people on this board are just a little bit to harsh sometimes eh? I like the promod site its very useful, it should help him alot, ill make sure he gets it. I think Gizmo told him it a few days back yes if you would like to help him get a head start u can.. I dont have time because I have a very busy schedule because the job i have, Im a Linux Networking engineer.. Basically i network for big schools, business's so i dont have the time to sit down and tell him every single thing or even get him on the right track, i told him how to compile and how to run stuff thats about it. But Sin_tax i appoligize for the stuff i said above, but at the time it was in my mind and i had to say it, and u did come down kinda hard on him the first time u posted here gotta admit it and no he Definately is not lazy. He doesnt intend for you guys to point him in the direction of a vulnerable comp or anything he just wants it spoon fed to him and it isnt gonna work, like he learned today heh, But ya Sin_tax if you could help him im sure he would appreciate that.

And i Appoligize, Later.

I have a couple of things to say on this. First off DarNess, I don't think my other post was edited, I just saw it plain as day. Maybe you need to schedule an eye appointment? Anyway ... about being shoved into the right direction: Flames are usually a good help, believe it or not, in being shown where the next step is, by showing you where NOT to go and what NOT to do. I think if you actually listen to what people tell you in their flames, it will show you what you're doing wrong. A little constructive critisism, I think. [censored] it, I welcome flames when they have to do with actual knowledge, and not about some pety arguement like they sometimes are. Better to be scolded for not knowing than to believe in what isn't true. Another thing is, about the whole "right direction" thing ... if your attention span will last long enough to get you through tutorials/articles on hacker ethics and computing in general -- where it's going and where it's been -- that would be doing yourself a huge favor. A huge favor, if you want to be smart like some of the people here But that is for more serious computer users, or people who want to make a profession of their hackerly skills. After that, it's all reading and testing, process of trial and errors. Everything I know about programming I have learned by reading books, tutorials, people's notes etc. With the exception of ONE person, no one has ever been here to answer all my lame questions. This forum is cool, but when it comes to actually gaining knowledge, it's up to you. Notice the title of the main page "Dare to take the road to knowledge" It doesn't say "Dare to let someone tell you everything they know about everything and answer your questions afterwards." Read up on hacker ethics, you'll find out that script kiddies are at the bottom of the hacker food chain. They get no respect from anyone, and with good reason. Okay, I'm done ... juss had to get that off my chest. For someone who hasn't been here very long, you show an extreme lack of respect for the guys who have, DarNess.

/me scratches my head.... If I am reading this right this is the 3rd person now replying. On one account. If that is correct, guys come on the accounts are free. This is just too confusing. Help I can do. Spoon feeding I will lose all respect and drop him like a script kiddie.

You say you taught him to compile and run code? What code? What language on what platform? What compiler? Just a few variables there. What I have seen so far is a guy wanting to know where to go to get someone elses scripts to compile to hack peoples b0x5. If that is the case forget it!

If he wants to learn about protocols, (smtp, FTP, SNMP,) encryption, (blowfish, MD5, httaccess) web scripting, (Perl, PHP, ASP, Python, Delphi, Java serverlets) Linux scripting, (c, c++, Perl, Python, TCL, REBOL, Ruby) hell even programing in windows (Visual basic, Visual C++ (I think visual Perl now)) Yes he can get help here. If he wants to simpley hack a web page/Server/Girfriends Hotmail account in 24 hrs I am sorry he will continue to be flamed.

I mean do you realise how often we hear that sort of request for spoon feeding? Te newbiesection is loaded with it.

They post:

"My girfreind is getting emails from another guy, please help me hack her account"

"How do I hack a web page"

I hear :

"Can you put yourself at leagle risk in this public BBS ans tell me how to break laws on the internet even though you have no idea who I am?"

"Oh and now after 9/11 I know it is illeagle to even teach me but will you?"

That is pretty much how it is no matter how you slice it. You wana learn to hack? You have to either find a realy nice guy who will spoon feed you (good luck)! Or become part of a community to help you when you run out of stuff to look for. Like if you are running out of I deas to research on your own. The easy basic stuff you will find tuts on. Hell some from me and peeps I call friends. But other things you will have to venture outside the community to find. YOu will put in many hour of reading and trial and frustraing error.

Then one day you come in here and see some kid who just wants it spoon fed to him and his friend saying we are too harsh. Get the picture? If not I am sorry. Yes you can get help here. But you will have to work also and give back what you get from here.

Bah, that is my 2 cents.

Jesus [censored] Christ.

You worthless turd.

Anyway, now that I've got 1% of my hatred out for you, I'll help you.

First: Learn C.
Second: Read "Counter Hack" by Ed Skoudis.
Third: read "An Introduction to UNIX" by Paul Wang. (And yes, that is his name.)
Fourth: read "Building Internet Firewalls", it's an O'Reilly Book.
Fifth: Install Linux. No you [censored], you dont have it installed, don't lie to me you little [censored]. Go [censored] install Slackware - and none of that visual bullshit. Learn the config files.
Sixth: Use Linux for at least a month - and none of that visual/XF86 bullshit. Learn the command line, *then* use X.
Seventh: IF you think you have enough experience at this point (which you don't) then go do your hacking thing.

OR you could take the fast track:
1. try to hack whatever you're attempting to hack.
2. Go to Jail.

Either way, it's one less n00b asking for his gf's email pass.

And btw, the exploit track usually involves the "g++ sploit.cpp" (or gcc "sploit.c" or "make") then ./a.out . Moron. "I can compile, but I dont know how to [censored] USE WHAT I COMPILE"

::points to signature:: case closed.

Now now some hostility. Yet what �in_tax just said is the truth of the matter. Well it will take time to learn, well another is approach is to ask her about it, that's the normal way of things lol. Yet this is moving away from *nix now anyway... Well that sig may have a point but that's one side of it.

The point is that they joined the irc server claiming that they knew all about linux asking if it came with a shell lol...

Wow, Linux comes with a shell, where can i get one?

The supermarket, just becareful lil penguins watch over those nuts, they'll attack at any point. Yet anyway, anyone else has anything to say about programming with linux, if not then drop it :+|.

Yeah I have something to say about programming linux: It's just the same as programming any other OS if you're good at writing portable code.

Its not the same but it is close, and yes, you do have to be good at writing portable code. I know that it does handle c++ iofiles differntly. I just recently expierenced an instance of this when i was trying to use the ifstream command. It worked wonderfully on my nix box but when i tryed to transfer it over, it bombed. At any rate, i have no reall point to this post so.... yeah, just watch your code and you'll be fine

Regards,

Skull

I'm a mostly client/server programmer. Are you SURE it's the same code for either platform? (provided you include the proper libraries, and don't use MS specific functions)

Cause I'm under the impression that working with sockets for windows is quite different from *nix. For instance, the root and core of my socket programming is having a callback function - which is the message queue for a WINDOW - to notify me of socket-related events.

If you write it in Java it's exactly the same code. I don't know about C, but I do know that the libraries you have to include are different. But since Java is on the VM it doesn't matter, and the code will work across all platforms. Even socket stuff.

that is obvious perg, we're talking about the portability of C/C++ here.